IDT is WORSE ever SAPBO Created

building semantic layer
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So many hurdles with this application but the one that I am having an issue with…

How long does it take for an updated universe objects to be available in WEBI?
I have simply added one column(measure) and published the universe; that was 10 mins ago. Still not seeing it !?

Asking the Powers At Be at my place of work if I can go back to using UDT where things actually WORKED and at a MUCH faster pace. Being that the MULTI-Source ability is more hype than its worth I hope they agree

Joealyche (BOB member since 2012-02-29)

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And after 30 mins counting and republishing the universe two more times I see that the object FINALLY made it there, Woo Hooo!

Joealyche (BOB member since 2012-02-29)

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Oh yes. I gave up with it. I could have gone and counted the hypothetical widgets faster …

Debbie

Debbie :uk: (BOB member since 2005-03-01)

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Seems like all the smart techies are GIRLS!
The guys just go with it but we want to make\do it right!

…maybe we should be developers, at least one thing is certain; our responses will not only be ‘Ok’, ‘Sure’, ‘Right’… having no idea what is said. Sorry, I may be sounding a little cynical but ! :stuck_out_tongue:

joey

Joealyche (BOB member since 2012-02-29)

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I was sceptical about it from the start - more from a performance point of view than anything else. Then again, I’ve been a data warehouse developer for so long, I’d now hate to report using dblinks again. Fine for ETL but not for reporting.

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TOTALLY AGREE ABOUT PERFORMANCE.
Don’t need to use DBLINKS; I keep getting away with simply bringing in another DP and linking the data together in my reports. So far, so good

They need to shelve this application but look out they may shove it in stating UDT will be discontinued… you know, like they did with DESKI and now trying to get WEBI And Rich Client to work similarly, PLEASE!

I think I need something to take the edge off and its only Wednesday :roll_eyes:
:slight_smile:

Joealyche (BOB member since 2012-02-29)

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When I publish the universe from IDT, I need to refresh the universe list in Webi Rich Client for the changes to show up. But they always show up immediately. As for the Web client, I never have to refresh anything. I may have to exit the document I’m in, and open it up again, but it then shows up.

MichaelWelter :vatican_city: (BOB member since 2002-08-08)

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I haven’t yet found sufficient reason to use IDT. Like I said, I experimented for the benefit of the multi-source capability - if it was useable it would be of huge benefit to us for true end-to-end reporting. But I’ve stuck with the old UDT universes.

The only reason I can see to use IDT is that UDT isn’t supported in the new dashboard design studio - if we ever get that far, I’ll probably set up a universe purely to service that. But I’m busy creating Microsoft BI models right now … :shock:

debbie

Debbie :uk: (BOB member since 2005-03-01)

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Debbie, I completely agree with you. I, too, prefer UDT, especially when I have a large number of contexts. IDT has significantly complicated context design, and made it nearly impossible to build universes with a large number of contexts. However, for a typical universe, I do use IDT. But I don’t recommend converting UNV universes to UNX, unless those universes need to be used with Design Studio, Lumira, etc.

MichaelWelter :vatican_city: (BOB member since 2002-08-08)

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Scene in the boardroom of Mega Corp…

F.D.: “So Mr. Techy, you want me to spend £xxxxx on upgrading our Business Objects installation from Version 3 to Version 4. Okay, what will I get for my money”

Mr. Techy: “Well your users will be able to create reports that combine data from lots of different sources, all through a single Universe!”

F.D.: “But I’ve heard that if you try and do this, the performance is so bad, it makes it unusable. What’s worse, in some cases, this new design tool thingy can’t even replicate what the old tool did, and most people don’t even like the looks of the new tool”

Mr. Techy: “Well the reporting tool has got a new user interface and lots of new whizzo ways of displaying charts!”

F.D.: “Wow, I’m supposed to be impressed? From what I hear, most users don’t like the new interface, and apparently the reports take an age to refresh”

Mr. Techy: “But if we don’t upgrade, we won’t be able to link up with lots of SAP’s other dashboarding products”

F.D.: "Oh you mean those products that change name more often than I change my shirt, and have a shelf life shorter than that of a post-coital Mayfly! My advisors tell me that that there are far better offerings in the marketplace.

Mr. Techy: “But if we don’t upgrade, we will no longer be supported by SAP”

F.D.: “So you’re putting a gun to me head! We can either stay where we are, with a just about okay product that is unsupported, or we can spend mega bucks on a pile of poo that, in theory, has minimal additional business benefit, but in practice has gone backwards; but this will be supported.”

Mr. Techy: “But without version 4 we cannot link to dashboards and do data storytelling!”

F.D.: "‘Storytelling’ - don’t tell me this is the latest horrible Marketing buzzword. I’ll tell you a story, and it’s a very short one.

“Once upon a time not long ago in a land not far from here, there was a place called Harmony. Everybody in Harmony was happy, and their joie de vivre was protected by their prince, named ‘Business Objects’, who had magical powers. But evil forces conspired to capture prince ‘Business Objects’, took his powers away and turned him into a frog. Despite all of the pleadings by the people of Harmony, begging for prince Business Objects to have his powers restored, the evil forces let him wither and die along with his followers.” (with apologies to Todd Rundgren for blatant plagiarism)

Unlike most fairy tales, this one has no happy ending. We have a third option; we’ll just change supplier"

Techy: “I’ll get my coat”
(This last comment will only be meaningful to British forum members of a certain age who watched a certain TV comedy series)

anorak :uk: (BOB member since 2002-09-13)

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Without doubts, the funniest post I evere red on BOB for more than 12 years :smiley:

… so right

bernard timbal :fr: (BOB member since 2003-05-26)

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“with a just about okay product”

XI3 is excellent. That’s why so many users are still clinging to it (and subsequently insisting on sticking with UDT when they upgrade.

What SAP have failed to do is to acknowledge their existing user base. They simply want to bastardise BO to go over BW. What they’ve further failed to acknowledge is that BW sucks as well. They’re trying to push a square peg into a round hole and upsetting everyone else in the process.

While the purchase of Crystal for its architecture back in 2003 can be understood to improve BO’s scalability, SAP’s obsession with making BO one tool for two different purposes is going to prove their downfall.

Data Federator was ugly. Other data federation tools are ugly and simply try to take away the necessity to build data warehouses. They fail miserably on this, though because the underlying schemas are neither built with reporting in mind nor do they usually contain trend information in a format conducive to successful reporting (right data, quickly).

On the other side of that, I do like the idea of being able to publish different parts of the universe separately. That said, Cognos has been doing this for years, so it’s hardly ground-breaking. The big danger with that is how that works seamlessly with contexts; it should but it cannot be guaranteed.

As for the reporting tool, the sooner we get rid of the JRE edition and get all functionality in RC and the HTML version the better. That’s over and above making sure that all functionality from Deski is in BO4. With that, and a review of the licencing models, there’s no reason that upgrading to BO4 from XI3 should not be simply an upgrade rather than a major expense.

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planned in the 4.2 SP3 according to a SAP consulting guy… Wait and see. i found this doubtfull

bernard timbal :fr: (BOB member since 2003-05-26)

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Me loves optional prompts, only available in IDT…

Andreas :de: (BOB member since 2002-06-20)

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Somehow, I think it will take more than optional prompts to convince Debbie. :slight_smile:

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I have no say in the matter anyway. Microsoft is waving at me … :wave:

Shame. As others said, XI3 was great - even XI2 was impressive after the older versions 5 & 6.

Debbie

Debbie :uk: (BOB member since 2005-03-01)